Why does the therapist appear to outrank the CMO? :-), What, you mean you dont follow your patients around at work, giving suggestions? This show has been for a niche of Trek fandom not the mainstream. I define me. Let's get into the details of the actress's weight gain, which has also been linked to her pregnancy. I would ask our family doctor, Is there anything you can give me thatll make me gain weight?'. Btw have you come across any good DS9 books about what happened to Sisko or the rest of the crew after the finale? I guess some people would rather the perfect people of TNG than anyone that mirrors back anything they dont want to see in themselves. Hes been very creative in using callbacks and interweaving eras in his own work. And a. Lwaxana Troi, Tilly is frankly nowhere near as annoying as those other characters. She is best known for starring as Sylvia Tilly in the Paramount+ science fiction drama series Star Trek: Discovery (2017-present). And it could fit nicely with Chakotays story on the show and that hes also in the DQ for the mission and now has to find the ship. Right! should take a pear of pruning shears and cut off that little pecker of yours (its what Killy would do). I dont read the same type of criticism for their male actors. Tillys great contribution is that shes NOT that sort of superwoman most people can never be. Maybe not but what are your thoughts? Well, the entire point is she absolutely looks the way I expect her to. Her character, Sylvia Tilly, has had plenty of opportunities to shine without giving anything away, and Wiseman has risen to the occasion. However, in the same interview she also talked about how some fans have not been so supportive in season three: I noticed theres definitely been an uptick in body-shaming towards me and Tilly this season, which was harrowing because Im a person, I have a history and bullying is totally a part of that. Thats not good writing, its oandering fan fiction, Starfleet is not military. Fortunately, more than 30 years ago I was encouraged to focus on the health aspects of eating well and training hard and not the aesthetics. Im mostly just curious if Tillys removal from Disco came from Wiseman looking to do other projects or if they wrote it in and broke the news that she was getting cut as a regular. The very basis of Star Trek is in direct conflict with people like that. So, although he does the occasional guest star role in other shows produced in Canada, he could take on a larger role on Discovery. Tilly is the most human member of the crew. She's interviewed several Star Trek . Plenty of curvy ladies are quite healthy and active. Its odd that the bridge crew still feels in the background although they are being used more. Not with DSC, not with ANYTHING. It would make sense if you knew the story ;) Lets just say Jake did write his famous book a couple of years after the end of DS9, but in the years and decades ahead he went on to much bigger things and took his career and his life in a very different direction. I feel bad saying this but Ive never a read a Star Trek novel in my life lol. How does Tillys scientific mind come into play in solving the crisis of the anomaly in season four? I wonder what the advertisers behind this site think of posts like this. WTF this is why Ive been following Star Trek since the original in 1967 when I saw Nichelle Nichols. Even though he is one of the worst characters in Trek, he was the main focus in arguably the best episode of Voyager: Timeless. Gee, so some Trek fans can be @$$holes. If we dont have tolerance and respect, how are we able to learn and improve humanity!? I hope were able to explore it because theres potential for great levity, but then also really important conversations to be had because when you care about someone you dont want to see them go through pain, and I can see completely how Tilly will be very protective of Michael Burnham. Sad but true, yet we always opt to genuflect in the direction of the elephant. Just a heads up (even more way off topic), for those who liked SG , IMO the Atlantis book Legacy series was quite good, telling the story of what happened after the finale. Proceed accordingly. Where I live people compete on the merits and are proud of their professional or intellectual achievements not their bad habits, bad health or even born with attributes such as divergent sexual orientation that they had no influence over whatsoever. 'Star Trek: Discovery' Season 4 Episode 13 Recap: A - TVLine If you cant deal with the idea of conflicting opinions then I really dont think you should be online at the moment. I see those things and they hurt me because Im a person. Star Trek: Discovery's Mary Wiseman and David Ajala Dish and Discuss I think theres room for it. Yeah, self absorbed is an excellent way to describe her character, Id never thought of it that way. David Ajala: Yeah, absolutely. Im not the idiot fringe but her weight is none of our business (and, also, she had a baby before S3, I believe). Too nervous and anxious. From the next episode on season 3 which was at least okay up to that point started to completely fall apart. Stupid decision to bring her back. At the end of season three, I felt that she became captain not because she had earned it, but because the time had run out on the series plan for her promotion. Now if it turns out, Burnham was being influenced by an alien entity or she has been given insight into the future which made it imperative that she rush Tilly into becoming the Number One, then I can accept it. That is definitely not a true statement. I wanted to be bigger and I spent much of my childhood, adolescence and even into my young adulthood doing all kinds of things to get bigger. She laughs at the memory. Sharing? This week's episode raised concerns. (laughs). BTW, I know this is waaaaaay off topic, but since you are the literary Trek lover on this site and keep up with a lot of the books, do you think Prodigy is going to use some of Kirsten Beyers Full Circle Voyager story lines? They seemed to only be limited by what that particular script called for that week. I know a thing or two about haters-pay no mind. Sonequa is by all accounts probably the best or one of the best chef de compagnie of all the Trek series. What tradition do you speak of? Although it is true that on *average*, overweight people are less healthy than other people, it is also entirely possible to be overweight and healthy. The reed-thin part sometimes involves unhealthy behaviors. Tillys journey has helped me over the last few years. Tilly (Mary Wiseman) leads the stranded Starfleet cadets to safety. Im not surprised people making mean comments, some people will find whatever they can that they know will upset everyone and say it. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. He also has emotional intelligence. That being said, knowing what weight restrictions there are for men and women serving avoid combat ships in todays Navy, my bet would be she would need to lose some weight to preserve her shipboard assignment in todays real-world Navy. The writers may love the character, but they also appreciate that the actor is a real person who might want variety in their career. Thats the thing about DSC. I agree 100%. Every character aboard that ship represents a minority. Im relieved to say I have no idea how that feels, and its something I cant even stomach thinking about, frankly. Tilly looks great and her weight is a not a issue. Sorry TM, its MY fault! And I know Chakotay was also Captain on Voyager in those books as well. Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise. As for the debate about sending the message being overweight is good: the heart of the issue is that everybodys body is their own, not health and physical fitness. But I really do like Book a lot! We need to examine our highest ideals and allegiances to reveal our preconceived notions, shallow knee-jerk reactions, and find the truth about our choices. Since you said mum Im going to assume youre in the UK, and I can personally confirm that you can get some great help, including face to face therapy, through the NHS, for free. Nibiru? | March 22, 2022 | All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. So sayeth Scotty, the contrarian. They should all try for the standards of randos on the internet like you But Im just happy we are talking about Voyager again, especially since this show is basically a spin off of it! Star Trek: Discovery season 4: everything we know | TechRadar It is not others right to tell someone how their body should be that sort of thing was done with slaves. Weight gain from thyroid issues, anti depressants, steroids, is a fairly small percent of the population. You had a variety of body shapes on discovery Tilly was thick. She is perhaps, the most human character on the show. A statistical average does not justify shaming or ridiculing anyone. Thats a crumpet I want to butter. [laughter], David Ajala as Book and Sonequa Martin-Green as Michael in episode 401 Kobayashi Maru. CBS/Paramount+ For Wiseman's Tilly, the danger and near-loss of all the cadets, including Adira (Blu del Barrio) forces her. I think people need that kind of thing to heal. Mary Wiseman is a good actress but even with that, if Star Trek Discovery was shot in 80s or 90s producers would probably force her to go on a diet or even fire her. Saru would then recognize the potential in her, give her opportunities to build her self esteem and confidence, and wed get a good arc that doesnt seem forced like it does now. They made an insensitive statement about her body and called her a promoter of an unhealthy lifestyle. 71 comments so far. Editor's note, 23 Dec 2020: If you like Wiseman's interview here, then you should also check out interviewer Dawn Ennis's other work. Sylvia Tilly | Memory Alpha | Fandom And tons dont. But I think one of the things that leaves everyone feeling unmoored in this situation is they dont even know how to use their skills to deal with this because its something theyve never seen before, and they cant predict it, they dont know by which rules its operating, and how to even engage. The entire point of Tillys character is that shes a Starfleet officer that doesnt have to be a supermodel like so many Trek characters before: Troi, Seven, TPol, Jadzia perfect golden cut supermodels. Mary Wiseman is sending the message that your body is your own, your responsibility, and nobody elses business, not any sort of health and fitness message. Sure, its not perfect, we all have a nitpick here and there, but as long as it has a message, it revolves around people, and some cool science stuff, its trek to me. David Ajala: I would be very dangerous. Because Book is someone who doesnt just have cerebral, intellectual intelligence. Anyway, another Discovery-ism, amongst the many other weird decisions on this show. The rumors started and spread like wildfire when some fanatics of Star Trek Discovery found out that Mary gained a few pounds between the seasons. I recall when Trek featured a French captain with an English accent. Shes supposed to set the example. Smart doesnt mean competent. Even 1,000 years into the future, Burham cannotoh well, that is a different story for a different post. Its really just certain comments sections and Facebook garbage holes. Yes, I like both Barclay and Tilly. Or are you only a troll if you criticize something about Discovery? You mean that I can find myself a BBW in the 32nd Century? If they wont act a woman should take a pear of pruning shears and cut off that little pecker of yours (its what Killy would do). Mary Wiseman told Forbes, It was tricky, but it was a really, really fun and satisfying challenge.. Lwaxana sometimes I dont mind her simply because she puts Picard and Odo on their back feet, but she was very OTT on shows that didnt really have a lot of OTT characters, and there was little reason for her to keep appearing on DS9 beyond reverence towards Majel Barrett. Because she symbolizes the Trekkies, geeks, nerds. Make better choices. Why is that a command level position? That one ship generates more energy than present-day Earths entire human energy expenditure, generates its own artificial gravity, and violates causality routinely. To be honest I think she is more attractive than the mostly skinny cast of most series. Bullied badly as a child and teen so I know what I speak of; Im just glad I grew up pre-Internet, and I sympathize with any nowadays who have to deal with Internet bullying on top of real world bullying. Thank you, Trek Movie Staff, for sharing my interview with your readers and providing a link to Forbes.com! Jack perhaps you were at the Dave Chappelle protest screaming Judas, you are starting to sound like the type who gets sensitive over everything. Good for Mary! It always cracks me up when people say that they hate Tilly. Youre saying she isnt believeable because she sounds like she has a 21st century *accent*? There is such a difference between having criticisms of the way the characters are written and criticizing the actors performance/craft and their leadership in the company. Although there are speculations of Mary Wiseman's pregnancy, she is not. And it was mentioned in one of the episodes of the first season, I dont remember whichwould have to research, that councilors on Galaxy class ships due to the fact that families were on the ship and it was meant for longer than 5 year missions. By the way, could of isnt English. For more info or tickets visit the Lincoln Center Theater site. Tilly's Discovery Season 4 Exit & Season 5 Future Explained 108 comments so far. I thought her arc was going to end with her being booted from the service for repeatedly failing physical fitness tests? Mary Wiseman is a beautiful lady as is Sonequa Martin-Green. Assuming you are American, Im from outside America where it makes a huge difference in how the characters comes across.America is not the world as Morrissey once said. Somewhere in the bowels of Secret Hideout, they invented a computer program that can cobble together scripts that fit various parameters. And others opinions dont factor in. I would imagine those who liked Barclay probably include a large portion of those who like Tilly. What I should point out though is that Mack earned the moniker Angel of Death among the Litverse fans. Please dont ban me!). All are Trek! The U.S.S. What was your point to this comment, anyway, except to minimize and dismiss support for plus-size women? She also revealed some of her inspirations for this version of Tilly: There is a little Azula from Avatar: The Last Airbender in there. Even Picard has his own show. Anyway it was just a thought. Where are they!? I dont think Tilly is ruined. But it would seem to me that it might ought to be standard practice to have a Betazed on the bridge on all starships if those stills were so needed. I hate the body shaming of actresses Theres recently was yet another fanboy arse-hat bloger who on their twitter account made an unkind comment about Mary/Tilly regarding her weight. I think the ship can handle a little chonk. This show has disrespected the actress with poor development and no real storyline except oh hey, im awkward guys. Its far from just the United States or even just affluent countries. Come on she looks great. And for your own gain, right? There are characters you really cherish and others that are fun but ultimately nothing special. While Tilly had big dreams in Star Trek: Discovery season 1, she struggled with feelings of inadequacy and was hindered by a social awkwardness that often left her feeling like an outsider. And how and how would your abilities be used in the Mirror Universe? This is not a good show and not a good Star Trek Show too. Im reaally hoping season 4 will be smoother, Im holding thumbs here. (But then she has always reminded me, her looks and bubbliness, of my cousin who just so happens to be a wonderful teacher. For people who dont know, it had to do with Voyager leading a fleet of ships going back to the Delta Quadrant a few years after Voyager arrived home. I never thought of Adira as being all that similar, but I see your point. She went away and supposedly became an amazing well rounded person. Mary Wiseman is confirmed to return as Sylvia Tilly in Star Trek: Discovery season 5, although whether she rejoins the crew or continues at Starfleet Academy and only interjects occasionally remains unknown. Barclay was another unrealistic character that never shouldve made it in to Starfleet. So I think we pick up with her after some time has passed since the events of that season, but shes still sort of not really sure what to make of it, and everything that used to be really comfortable isnt sitting as comfortably as it used to if that makes sense. I like me. If that happens, I'm betting she'll be a part of it. Star Trek: Discovery | Tilly Chooses To Live | Paramount+
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